He also says, “do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.” David says here that he doesn’t want God to remove the Holy Spirit. We may not lose our salvation because of our sins, but Christ’s finished work would be in vain in us, which means we may live a powerless and fruitless life as a result of our disobedience. He goes to a medium by disguising himself at night, all to see Samuel (who, at this point, was a deceased prophet). 6 Then Saul said to the Kenites, “Go, depart, get down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. First, he encouraged Uriah to lay with his wife, to create the illusion that Uriah had gotten his wife pregnant. The Spirit then came upon David (1 Samuel 16:13). Saul has built a monument to himself because he’s so full of himself; yet, when he’s called out about his sin, he’d rather blame the people than accept personal responsibility as Israel’s king. The presence of the Holy Spirit in a Jesus Christ servant preaching Jesus Christ gospel is seen only by power. God says that Saul has “turned back from following Me.” In other words, “Saul was once with Me; Saul was once a follower of Mine. If any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 Samuel 16:14: But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him, To understand this better, let’s look at it step by step. There can be no forsaking sin without confessing it. 3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew up together with him and with his children. According to the multitude of Your tender mercies. And yet, in a matter of a few years, the task went to his head. His obedient to the Lord was always his intention .He is quick to consult the Lord in all his ways even going to war he would ask God if he is suppose to go. Used by permission. Thanks for post it. President Uhuru Kenyatta Totally Doing Away With Deputy William Ruto (WORD... CoronaVirus in Kenya Statehouse (WORD Fulfilled), Former Kenya President Moi is Dead (Prophecy Fulfilled). David not only committed adultery with Uriah’s wife and had him killed to protect the sin, but killed him with the sword of the Ammonites or “the sword of Ammon.” The Ammonites were hated and despised by God, never spoken of by the Lord in good terms (Deuteronomy 23:3; Judges 10:6-7). The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not something a believer does by accident. Here’s where we see differences between Saul and David. David then tried to cover up his affair. Samuel’s mourning for Saul before he delivered the divine rejection to Saul and after, shows us a man who loved God and loved His people. The Holy Spirit departs from Saul because Saul left God. (1 Samuel 15:24-31). This exposition and other contributions have livened by spirit. 24 The archers shot from the wall at your servants; and some of the king’s servants are dead, and your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also.”, 25 Then David said to the messenger, “Thus you shall say to Joab: ‘Do not let this thing displease you, for the sword devours one as well as another. If you mix yourself with the world, the Holy Spirit departs. The interior of the earth is where apostate angels and their followers escaped to after the Flood, and are there to this day. It was not a permanent residing, although it could be a lengthy residence. To fix this atrocity, God called for complete destruction, except for His own chosen survivors, Noah and his family, They are chosen because Noah alone is a godly man, and he has no genetic corruption from angels in his DNA/ lineage. And that is why Saul also lost the Holy Spirit’s presence in his life. So don’t lie to us. 2 The rich man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. God made promises to David in 2 Sam.7:11b-16 and 1Chron. The Spirit leaving Saul here is God removing His blessing on Saul as king of Israel. For the second attempt, David had failed once again. Saul went from hiding among the stuff and being shy for the kingship to craving the riches, wealth, and power that came with the kingship. The Holy Spirit can be driven away by choice of any believer. But everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed. He has an evil spirit sent to him from the Lord, a sign that God had given Saul up to his eternal condemnation. David, in turn, confesses his sin before the Lord and listens to the prophet. Indeed, the Holy Spirit is there at the very beginning: " 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. At one point, Saul belonged to the Lord; over time, he had given that up and no longer followed the God of Israel. Saul enticed the witch of Endor to call up Samuel the prophet from the dead, so he could get Samuel’s advice about a final fatal battle against the Philistines. And then, to see Saul claim that he had “performed the commandment of the Lord” is even further proof of just how spiritually lost Saul was. But there’s one sentence that suggests otherwise: “But the thing that David had done displeased the Lord” (2 Samuel 11:27b). David pleads with God in verse 11 not to “cast me away from Your presence.” In other words, he realized that he was in the presence of God and that he was before the Lord, but he also realized that God could do away with him, that God could abandon him. That’s what Uriah’s circumstances were. He gives His Spirit to David, the man He has chosen to replace Saul as king. You, however, ignored it. But without the Spirit, there was no more spiritual life within the temple. David did love the Lord. David who had done greater sins repented and was forgiven, and the anointing did not depart from him. This is fact. See signs and wonders follow Jesus Christ servants, If a person was once preaching a powerful gospel followed by signs and miracles, but no signs are seen, the Holy Spirit has departed from the person. Could you give a citation for that from Calvin? In turn, the Holy Spirit departed from Saul and the kingship, designated only for someone after God’s own heart, was subsequently taken from him. 27 And when her mourning was over, David sent and brought her to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. 3 So David sent and inquired about the woman. David realizes that he is “dirty” and “filthy” in sin. Instead of doing that, Saul killed everyone except King Agag and kept the best of the possessions. For He is not a man, that He should relent.”, 30 Then he said, “I have sinned; yet honor me now, please, before the elders of my people and before Israel, and return with me, that I may worship the Lord your God.” 31 So Samuel turned back after Saul, and Saul worshiped the Lord. The Holy Spirit leaving the person is seen as referring to a special anointing of the Spirit of God for a particular ministry. That’s simply not true. John Calvin, Calvinism’s founder, may be long gone to his reward, but Calvinism and its so-called “biblical” teachings still exist. On 23rd February 2020, God, Copyright©2012-2019 www.christiantruthcenter.com. (1 Chronicles 10:13-14). Samuel delivers the sad news to Saul that the Lord had rejected him from being king. Repentance is the only key to keeping the Holy Spirit in you; making the Holy Spirit not to depart. This is revealed in many different passages in the New Testament. 15 And Saul’s servants said to him, “Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you. God is Samuel’s God, but He is not Saul’s God. You may be struggling in manifesting one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit but in a person with the Holy Spirit, we see him/her fighting through the help of the Holy Spirit to manifest that fruit of the Spirit. 18 Now the Lord sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’ 19 Why then did you not obey the voice of the Lord? And yet, few of us believe that God gives teasing grace; either God gives it or not. There is no room for any doubt or exception. 28 So Samuel said to him, “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you. Period. And David had seen it because he was the one playing the harp to help bring peace to Saul. For all Uriah’s loyalty, he deserved it in return — and his king, the one he did it all for, killed him instead. Can you imagine disowning God and turning your back on God and the Holy Spirit in just three years of being the ruler of Israel? You just do not wish to see it. They are damned. The Israelites weren’t kings (the kingship didn’t even exist among them at the time), yet they had the Holy Spirit’s indwelling presence. 14 However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.” 15 Then Nathan departed to his house. See Biblical church leadership structure. Psalm 51:11-12 (Psalm 50 in the Septuagint or LXX) are two key verses that strike at the heart of our discussion. The Lord through Samuel asks Saul an important question: “When you were little in your own eyes, were you not head of the tribes of Israel?” (1 Samuel 15:17) Saul was once “little in his own eyes,” but, as the monument at Carmel Saul built reminds us, those days were gone; the Saul who was once little in his own eyes is now the Saul so full of himself that he can’t even recognize how far he’s fallen before God. 20 And you shall give some of your authority to him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient. Because of who He is, there are several things which make Him depart from a person or a congregation. Copyright © 2005-2019 by Michael Bradley and Chris Bradley, When You Struggle to Balance God’s Need to Judge Sin with His Love, How to Pick a Fight: What the Word of God Says About Choosing Your Battles Wisely, Biblical Solutions to Your Everyday Problems. 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor relent. Please consider Holy Spirit Verona for memorial gifts in memory of the dearly departed. 11 Do not cast me away from Your presence. The Spirit of the Lord came “upon” someone when He wanted them to do a unique task. Hence, he stated that Saul and his sons would also come to Hades. The fruits of the Holy Spirit are; love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. Why did the Holy Spirit depart from Saul? What a profound article! Jesus said “it is finished” at the cross. And from the roof he saw a woman bathing, and the woman was very beautiful to behold. The issue is sin. My closing point is that the Holy Spirit did not permanently dwell with a believer until Christ was sent to give all believers the gift of true supernatural cleansing from sin. Uh, actually Reformed theology takes a position on Saul quite clearly. First, God’s words tell us so. And yet, we find this regenerate king apostatizing from God. But David remained at Jerusalem. When it comes to Calvin and Calvinism, there’s always been one passage that proves to be a conundrum: that is, the statement in 1 Samuel 16:14 where we’re told that “the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.” This is a verse that few Calvinists discuss; not even John Calvin touched the subject of the Holy Spirit leaving Saul in his Institutes of the Christian Religion. The Names of Jesus: Who is Jesus According to the Scriptures? God had rejected Saul from the kingship, but nowhere were we told that the Holy Spirit was connected to the consequences of Saul’s sin. 7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. When a person or a congregation is in sin, the Holy Spirit departs; He does not sin nor live in sin with the person. “Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in your sight.” David acknowledges the wrong he’s done against God, and calls it “evil.”. I have performed the commandment of the Lord.” (1 Samuel 15:10-13). Yahweh know all who belong to him. I would like to add one missing angle. Only in our humanity is it okay to say “this sin is not as bad as this.” God’s ways and thoughts are different from ours, the Lord tells us (Isaiah 55:8-9). Samuel, the prophet, is an example of a non-king who had the Spirit of God. Saul brought the divine rejection on himself, not God, Samuel, nor anyone else. 7 And Saul attacked the Amalekites, from Havilah all the way to Shur, which is east of Egypt. (v. 4) Epistle (328) Hebrews 11:9-10, 17-23, 32-40 … The only time I personally remember God just flat-out regretting something He had done is in Genesis. Calvin believed that God could give “teasing grace,” then “abandon them and smite them with greater blindness,” he said when referring to those who are saved for a short time, then fall away. See the purpose of signs and wonders following the gospel. Let’s see what Scripture says: 17 Then Samuel called the people together to the Lord at Mizpah, 18 and said to the children of Israel, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you from the hand of the Egyptians and from the hand of all kingdoms and from those who oppressed you.’ 19 But you have today rejected your God, who Himself saved you from all your adversities and your tribulations; and you have said to Him, ‘No, set a king over us!’ Now therefore, present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes and by your clans.”, 20 And when Samuel had caused all the tribes of Israel to come near, the tribe of Benjamin was chosen. Thus, to vex the Holy Spirit means that God’s presence was among them. David says “my transgressions” (1b), “my iniquity” (v.2), and “my sin” (v.2), phrases that show he accepts responsibility for his wrongdoing. What we see here is that, according to Isaiah 63, Israel was God’s people. Strengthen your attack against the city, and overthrow it.’ So encourage him.” (2 Samuel 11:25). And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor relent. Not only had the apostate angels destroyed the course of the natural creation by adding their hybrid monster offspring, but they had also created creatures en masse that were not redeemable from sin. We need the Holy Spirit or we cannot understand. David feared losing the Holy Spirit and the divine presence; today, we act as if David was merely exaggerating in his prayer. If you do not believe, the Holy Spirit departs. This seems terribly unfair to these corrupt children-because it is. Scripture calls him “a man after God’s own heart,” and Samuel says the same thing to Saul when referring to David (1 Samuel 13:13-14; 1 Samuel 15:27-29). Saul was regenerate, had been “changed” or transformed by the Lord. Samuel resided in Hades, which was separated into two different realms, as it were (Luke 16:19-31). Only miracles, signs and wonders are Biblically mentioned as proof of the presence of the kingdom of heaven in a God servant. 2 Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. How was God present with believers? Version. If a person or congregation departs from the Truth, the Holy Spirit departs. R. xxxvii. Because Christ gives him a new spirit, the Holy Spirit does not leave him, except by reason of blasphemy if the Holy Spirit. Pls kindly help me unravel the following question: From Gen. 6:6 & 1sam 15:35, can God regret any decision or actions he ever made? For you to be convicted in your heart that you have sinned against the Holyspirit and to ask for forgiveness for same, indicates that God wants to forgive you, that was why you were convicted in the spirit. This is why he goes to pray about the battle against the Philistines. In Isaiah 63:10, we read that “they…vexed his Holy Spirit.” The Israelites could not have vexed a Holy Spirit they didn’t have. Though we would never lose our salvation in our day and age of the new covenant because of Jesus’s finished work on the Cross,there is also something we should be wary about. With burnt offering and whole burnt offering; Then they shall offer bulls on Your altar. He “became a mighty one” in the earth. But Uriah’s loyalty wasn’t wasted. God doesn’t wait to act; His first form of condemnation is to send His prophet, Nathan, to David to confront him with his sin and motivate a confession: Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. Saul didn’t have a true heart of repentance but instead a heart of rebellion and pride wanting honor instead of him honoring Yahweh. (Song of the Three Holy Children, v. 3) V.For You are just in all that You have done for us! The Pharisees should have had to read 1 Samuel 15 and discover how wrong they were. 24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. The Holy Spirit was with King Saul, yet later left him (1 Samuel 16:14). Calvinism is still alive and well in the world. There’s something else about the excerpt above worth pointing out: that is, Samuel never calls the Lord “the Lord my God,” but instead, “the Lord your God” when he’s talking to Samuel (1 Samuel 15:15, 21). Tone 4 Prokeimenon (Holy Fathers) Blessed areYou, O Lord God of our fathers, / and praised and glorified is. Why Bathsheba mourned Uriah and then became David’s wife is likely chalked up to the fact that she had no choice in the matter. I heard a well known pastor on the radio say he believes he will see king Saul in heaven. “Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed than the fat of rams,” the Lord says through Samuel to Saul in 1 Samuel 15:22. Notice here that his pleading with God has nothing to do with the kingship. So when David pleads with the Lord to not cast him away from the divine presence and to not take away the Holy Spirit, he was referring to his salvation. Samuel doesn’t call the Lord his God, but rather, “your” God, the word “your” implying that “God may be your God, but he isn’t mine.” When we read that God tells Samuel that “he has turned back from following Me,” God is saying, in effect, that Saul has given up God. The message he gets is a dire one: “tomorrow, you and your sons will be with me.” And the following day, in battle with the Philistines, Saul is mortally wounded and falls on his own sword. And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom. In this article, we’ll provide an answer to this question by looking at both Saul and David. Once again, Saul has disobeyed the divine commandment. After the message that God had rejected Saul as king was delivered, the text says that Samuel went his own way: 34 Then Samuel went to Ramah, and Saul went up to his house at Gibeah of Saul. Giants and unnatural hybrids are abominations. You may still prophecy, still speak in tongues and receive dreams and still preach when He is gone! This article is giving me insight into my thinking. In either case, the Holy Spirit rested within Moses and the Wilderness Generation (at first). 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. When someone says that the Holy Spirit departed from Saul because he lost the kingship, that simply isn’t true; rather, by apostatizing in his walk with the Lord, Saul walked away from the Holy Spirit. Even after being rejected as king, Saul was spiritually clueless. A clean heart is not something we can give ourselves. The Holy Spirit departed from Saul. If a person or congregation has no righteousness, peace and joy, the Holy Spirit has departed from the person or congregation. The comparison between Saul and David. Space for the interment of ashes is available in our Memorial Garden if you wish. David succeeds Saul, but David is key to helping us understand what happens to Saul. Mighty is used to describe great giants. First, let’s examine the circumstances surrounding Saul’s sin and the departure of the Holy Spirit. Let us no longer take the Spirit for granted. And he prayed fervently against the Holy Spirit’s departure from his own life. The sad thing is that Uriah died, not knowing what happened, not knowing that Bathsheba had been pregnant, not knowing that David had taken his loyalty and trampled it underfoot. 16 Let our master now command your servants, who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skillful player on the harp. Brown, Driver and Briggs (p. 952) define rephaim as "shades, ghosts....name of dead in Sheol." Why the disparity in the divine judgment between Saul and David? And yet, we see that God didn’t accept David’s adultery and murder without punishing David. The fact that David killed a Gentile just adds another complication to the circumstances. (2 Samuel 12:1-15). First and foremost, the Spirit creates new life in believers (Titus 3:5), producing the same new birth Jesus spoke of in John 3:1–8. The Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the nations that God commanded Joshua to destroy in the acquisition of the Promised Land are examples. Rebellion and failure to listen to God are just as bad as witchcraft and idolatry, the Lord says. This may seem pretty far-fetched, but it was done in the early post -flood world by the king of Babel(Babylon), Nimrod. Samuel also said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Saul has abandoned Him, so Saul responds to Samuel with, “your God.” David had no problem with calling the Lord “My God” (Psalm 5:2; 7:1, 3; 18:2, 6, 21, 28, 29; Psalm 22:1, 2, 10; 25:2; 31:14; 35:23-24, etc.). Our obedience to Christ does not add to our salvation to keep us saved, but is evidence of our condition; resulting in rewards or lack there-of at the judgment seat of Christ. His sin was so heinous that the Spirit could walk away from him as He did Saul. He obeyed My voice, he listened to Me and performed my commandments. Since this command is always given when going to was against a nation that has been badly corrupted by Nephilim DNA, we can safely assume that is the case with the Amalikites. Thanks for bringing the word to our level. God was taking away Saul’s kingdom, and so too the Spirit that empowered him as king. “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.” In the eyes of the Lord, to rebel against God is no different than if one committed witchcraft. What does the individual do? There is no charge for active parish members; however, non-members are charged $1,000, which includes engraving the name on the interior wall of the Church. It is a forceful repulsion by the apostate, a command for the Holy Spirit to leave them. (1 Samuel 15:34-35). I think we should have the humility of David, never forgetting that God can cast us from His presence and remove His Holy Spirit from us if we put our sin before Him and sin without care for God’s law. “How,” you ask? We’ll get to it. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, before the sun.’ ”, 13 So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”, And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die. saint and the O.T. Humbled and Grateful. Two different kings, two different responses. He has no sin neither does He sin. Because I surely know that myGod knows end of everything even in the beginning. Before Christ, the Holy Spirit would abide, but not live within, believers, as God chose. 14 Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God. This was disobedience. Saul was regenerate in 1 Samuel 10, but within 5 chapters, we discover that this regenerate, “elect” king (yes, I’m using Calvinism’s favorite word, elect) has apostatized from God and no longer performs God’s commandments. And yet, we see the Holy Spirit depart from his life. 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