With her synthesized strings and genuine pearls and her opera-crossover attempts, she aspires to the highbrow culture of a half-century ago. I also remember always hearing Celine Dion blasting at high volume whenever I passed through volatile and dangerous neighborhoods, so much that it became a cue to me to walk, run or drive faster if I was ever in a neighborhood I didn't know and heard Celine Dion mawking over the airwaves.”, “Bourdieu's interpretation was that tastes were serving as strategic tools. On a personal level, good and bad can often feel so useful–it lets us get more of what we like and less of what we dislike–that I often forget how impenetrable it can be to someone else for me to just say ‘I liked this’. Writing Fiction, by Edith Wharton Description. Really lovely, short book on how personal taste is formed in individuals, using Celine Dion's album of the same name as a framing device. Childhood memories and annual traditions. Is taste a function of one's upbringing? At the end, he finds himself in a “can't we all just get along?” posture that is heartening, but not nearly as fun as the early stages of his argument, when he is demarcating the boundaries of why certain groups take exception to certain other groups' definitions of what defines “good taste” -- or, at least, “good times.”, Holy Crap. Holy Crap. In fact, I want to put it in the running for being the best book I’ve ever read. The author is well-read; the book feels impeccably-researched – but, for all the sourced quotations being thrown at the wall, sometimes it feels like a “whatever sticks” approach – Wilson's own opinion gets lost amidst his citations. Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. Continuum International Publishing Group. Wilson's cursory examinations of taste--that no one's preferences are formed in a vacuum but that we use taste to align ourselves with and distance ourselves from certain socioeconomic groupings--should be apparent without needing research results. Can’t be done. For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what … I learned more from this 160 page book about aesthetics than I did in an entire class my senior year. I especially loved his chapter on sentimentality. “Let's Talk About Love” is a studious, A-plus paper on the topic of “taste,” but it's also very dry, very quote-heavy, and very resistant (to use one of the author's, Carl Wilson's, own key words) to its own innate charms -- those charms being its personal touches: the book sparks to life in moments (like when Wilson flashes back to his ex-wife's performance of Buddy Holly's “Oh Boy” to express her feelings for her then … This book documents Carl Wilson's brave and unprecedented year-long quest to find his inner Celine Dion fan, and explores how we define ourselves in the light of what we call good and bad, what we love and what we … ML420.D565W55 2007 782.42164092--dc22 2007040095 Along with being a tremendously important piece of criticism, Let s Talk About Love is an agile, moving, and generous exploration of the music that accompanies us, welcome or not, on the travels we all need to make on our own. 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If Conor Oberst loves The Band and Calexico is covering Love, consider them vetted - and safe for display on your shelf. What we have agreed to call tastes, he said, is an array of symbolic associations we use to set ourselves apart from those whose social ranking is beneath us, and to take aim at the status we think we deserve. No need to call it a guilty pleasure anymore — that reflexive defense can be retired and you can just call it pleasure. Not in conversation, anyway. "LETS TALK ABOUT LOVE" BY CARL WILSON READING SUMMARIES Chapters 1-4 Summary (One Paragraph): The book, “Lets Talk About Love” by Carl Wilson, analysis the music and life of Celine Dion. Basically Wilson hates this particular album, but he wants to know why. Top Books Top Audiobooks Oprah’s Book Club Let's Talk About Love Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste. Hi Rahul- Wilson's cursory examinations of taste--that no one's preferences are formed in a vacuum but that we use taste to align ourselves with and distance ourselves from certain socioeconomic groupings--should be apparent without needing research results. It also reminded me of my favorite navel-gazingish examination of ‘taste,’ “An Experiment in Criticism” by CS Lewis. Very few emotional effects are more vilified than the sentimental, and very few emotional effects are so detrimental to a work’s odds of being considered a high-quality, durable work of art. Yes, definitely. There's nothing cool about Céline Dion, and nothing clever. I think this is the better book. In genre fiction, this divide is between the innovative, well-written genre fiction that we’re supposed to write (Ted Chiang, Jeff Vandermeer, Kelly Link, etc) and the mass-market stuff that we’re supposed to repudiate (David Weber, Terry Goodkind, L. Ron Hubbard, etc.). Shop for Celine Dion Let's Talk About Love: (33 1/3) from WHSmith. But unlike the other books in the 33 ⅓ series, Dion’s album is barely touched upon as Wilson chooses instead to examine what “taste” is and how people form critical opinions in culture. My reading record isn't accurate at all anymore, but quite frankly I'm not even sure I even give a damn. The 33 1/3 series would seem to be pretty much bulletproof in terms of hipster cred. Share. 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However, I think that Wilson correctly notes that the taste is no longer bound by genres (the book is full of great ancillary observations about art and the art world). At once among the most widely beloved and most reviled and lampooned pop stars of the past few decades, Céline Dion's critics call her mawkish and overblown … While reading chapters 1-4 of Let’s Talk About Love by Carl Wilson, I came across a quote from chapter one that really stuck out to me. I’ve been lurking around here for a while now-I think your stuff is excellent. Why do other people like the music that he hates? The Power and the Glory, by Graham Greene, Does anyone actually enjoy cliffhangers? 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Nothing in my life has been more rewarding than reading books from the canon. Most elite consumers of culture are omnivores. I was 12 years old. Even I'm not that crazy! I know I love novels, but I'm not sure whyWhat does it mean to be against the canon? More interesting is the information about the effect on dopamine levels when we encounter new music and the payoff when our brains resolve more difficult listening into what we identify as music. Have you ever felt like you were better than those people who love, The 33 1/3 series would seem to be pretty much bulletproof in terms of hipster cred. Let’s Talk About Love: by Carl Wilson. Let’s talk about love. In all my years of school and academic experience with reading, I don’t think I have ever … Maybe I should’ve been following Wilson’s example. Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste. Originally released in 2007 as a standalone entry in the perennially well regarded 33 1/3rd series, Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love was an overdue conversation about taste, snobbery, and the parts of the human race whose opinions are often left out … Celine Dion's Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste (33 1/3) BY Carl Wilson. While working-class tastes seemed mainly a default (serving at best to express group belongingness and solidarity), for everyone else taste was not only a product of economic and educational background but, as it developed through life, a force mobilized as part of their quest for social status (or what Bourdieu called symbolic power). That's part of her appeal as an object of love or hatred — with most critics and committed music fans taking pleasure (or at least geeky solace) in their lofty contempt. By (author) Carl Wilson. For myself, I think that’s something that’s well worth doing. I haven't read any of the other selections in the, those who are obsessed with pop culture and somehow have a heart to like Celine Dion. Suffice it to say, Wilson gets something out of the whole endeavor. He starts by correcting noting that sentimentality is kind of the bogeyman of modern art. I'm sorry, but no. His sojourn to Las Vegas is promising – how he plans to interview Dion fans but finds himself too cowed to do so – but it never resolves itself in any dramatically satisfying way. We just have to … try at least … to explain why we came to those judgments, otherwise they aren’t much use to other people. Carl Wilson is a profound listener and an extraordinary writer. Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. Coming to a bookstore near you on March 13, 2014. Have you read it? For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. Not merely a great 33 1/3 book, but a great and delightfully original work of criticism, period. Anatomy of a literary pageturner Bleak House, by Charles Dickens A Journal of the Plague Year, by Daniel Defoe Vanity Fair, by William Makeapeace Thackeray “If the world could write by itself, it would write like Tolstoy.” Wired Magazine Farthing, by Jo Walton Red Plenty, by Francis Spufford Wide Sargasso Sea, by Jean Rhys Burmese Days, by George Orwell Horatio Hornblower, by C.S. And, in an earlier section (while watching Celine’s Vegas show): “And this…is why Celine winds up mocked, because her efforts at class and taste always go wrong. Older albums covered — Music From Big Pink, Forever Changes, Court and Spark, Dusty in Memphis — have for years been hailed by the new kids on the indie block as favorites. I remember being at sound-system dances and hearing everyone from Bob Marley Kenny Rogers (yes, Kenny Rogers) to Sade to Yellowman to Beenie Man being blasted at top volume while the crowd danced and drank up a storm. Not in conversation, anyway. This may be my favorite book ever written about music, at least one of my favorites. Book Reviews. It is completely excellent in every way, and is possibly the best thing I have read since "Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs" and "Anna Karenina." There's nothing cool about Céline Dion, and nothing clever. Confessions of a Pick-up Artist Chaser The Power and the Glory, by Graham Greene Does anyone actually enjoy cliffhangers? Prescriptive based on descriptive is good, I think. Let's Talk About Love A Journey to the End of Taste (Book) : Wilson, Carl : Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. Along with being a tremendously important piece of criticism, Let's Talk About Love is an agile, moving, and generous exploration of the music that accompanies us, welcome or not, on the travels we all need to make on our own. But instead of just whining about it he undertakes what he calls a "Dionyssee" an odyssey to teach himself to love her music. $23.35 . Refresh and try again. I truly believe that Wilson loves music and I feel his love in this book about something he hates. As an economically and socially mobile artist, I’ve done my best to distance myself from these early loves, but maybe that wasn’t the right thing for me to do. 2. ... in their lofty contempt. 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However, that was taken from, Another re-read (a running theme of this time in our history, perhaps), this is Carl Wilson's great exploration of what "taste" means and why some people have "bad taste." Online, one rarely hears the latter discussed with respect, and there are good reasons for that…but I’ve enjoyed books by all three of the authors that I named. Cheers, Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I loved the latter and didn’t even know about the former. Let's Talk About Love (Kobo eBook) By Carl Wilson. Being not only Canadian, but a Quebec-born French Canadian myself, I can certainly match, if not exceed, Carl Wilson's distaste for Céline Dion. His writing style and perspective about taste and perception. AKA, this book is freaking awesome. The same goes for books and video games. If respect or simple fairness were denied you, you’d build a great life (the best revenge)” Page 8, Paragraph 2. It’s part of the 33 1/3 series of 150-page long-form essays in which various critics and personages usually rhapsodize at length about their favorite albums. More interesting is the information about the effect on dopamine levels when we encounter new music and the payoff when our brains resolve more difficult listening into what we identify as music. He’s one of my all-time favorites. Some SF fans will, perhaps, try to connect this to endless (and endlessly tedious) debate about genre fiction and literary fiction. Dion, Céline. 3. In the Aeroplane Over The Sea, OK Computer, Pink Moon, Rid of Me, Paul’s Boutique, Loveless, Meat is Murder… even if your own choices for an “essential/seminal albums” list are different, these titles all have a lot going for them. And perhaps I do want to reveal something, from time to time, but for the most part I want to express an opinion peculiar to the person to whom I am talking. Six played-out teen contemporary tropes (most of which I've used!). Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read. I always feel as though I’ve been given a brief moment in which to explain myself, to justify my own choices in a kind of secret language which ends up revealing far more about my personality than I might wish other people to know. Anyone have any good discussion questions for this book? For me, reading this book providing a road-map for journeying into the heart of my own motivations. Oh cool! And he doesn’t fall into the trap of saying, “Well, everything is worthwhile if you think about it hard enough.” No, he retains a kind of objectivity (and a kind of belief in artistic quality) while still learning to perceive (and, sort of, appreciate) the ways in which Celine’s music is good. What makes something a guilty pleasure instead of music you are proud to admit you enjoy? by Bloomsbury Academic, Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste. See 1 question about Let's Talk About Love…, Hurricane Katrina breakdown on Larry King, Goodreads Members Share the Books They've Been Rereading. DO IT! I devoured criticism from a young age, from the extremely overrated (Lester Bangs) to the grossly underappreciated (Ellen Willis). Continuum International Publishing Group. (A Dance With Dragons), The first and last novels that made me cry, Life is too short to waste time on boring books, If you die and leave me with your brilliant unfinished manuscripts, I will burn them, The poverty and evanescence of literary acclaim in SF, Why I am deeply suspicious of Malcolm Gladwell, A Journal of the Plague Year, by Daniel Defoe, Vanity Fair, by William Makeapeace Thackeray, “If the world could write by itself, it would write like Tolstoy.”. Slate music critic Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love was first published at the end of 2007 as part of the 33⅓ series of books on albums. I should have trusted my doubts. 33 1/3. Carl Wilson is not a fan of Celine Dion's music. Non-fans regard Céline Dion as ersatz and plastic, yet to those who love her, no one could be more real, with her impoverished childhood, her (creepy) manager-husband's struggle with cancer, her knack for howling out raw emotion. What do you do when the writing isn't easy? Music writer Carl Wilson decided to get serious about the goddess of pop, Celine Dion. by James Murphy • 14th July 2014 14th July 2014. I don’t like talking about my taste in music very much. Dion, Céline--Criticismand interpretation. A comforting balm. AND I think I finally understood all those Kant readings from 1 page of this book. He spent a lot of quality time with her blockbuster album Let's Talk About Love for his new book. The latest installment in 331/3, the book series that celebrates significant pop records, is unlike any of its predecessors in that its subject, the titular 1997 Céline Dion album, is abhorred by its author. Book Review: Let’s Talk About Love: Why Other People Have Such Bad Taste by Carl Wilson. Whether its success is because of its unusual approach, or simply because it’s about a best-selling artist, I don’t know; one would have to undertake the same kind of sociological survey of … Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. At no point does he try to argue that bad is good–that Celine’s fans are able to perceive qualities in her music that he cannot. $10.95. I have touched those things and they felt so good! That’s what Carl Wilson sets out to discover in his look at Dion’s album Let’s Talk About Love. Read 2 reviews from the world's largest community for readers… Lewis’ nonfiction work. Thoughts engendered by my return to computer gaming after an absence of two and a half years We should all stop being so self-deprecating The Television / Refrigerator Axiom. We’ve also been liberated by “poptimism,” whose major text, Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love, has just been reissued. But critic Colin Wilson decided to do something a little different. Ryan Dombal talks with Carl Wilson about the newly expanded version of his essential 2007 book on Celine Dion's Let's Talk About Love and the changing ideas of taste in the 21st century. But he has the same anxiety about it that everyone has. A remarkable book. Why do they then go further and say “My kind of stuff [be it novels, movies or pop music] is actually, Have you ever laughed at someone who claimed to actually enjoy Celine Dion's music? If a colleague at work asks what I’m listening to on my iPod, how can I possibly respond by telling them I’m listening to Ice Cube or Jethro Tull or Nine Inch Nails without them getting certain ideas about the kind of person I am? This book made me think about how Carl Wilson thinks about Celine Dion, it gives you a lense into a person's view of music as opposed to just history/backstory about an album. What defines “good taste”? To see what your friends thought of this book, This is a beautiful meditation on art, one of the best I’ve ever read. Plus, I listed to. * Rob Sheffield * Carl Wilson is a profound listener and an extraordinary writer. There's nothing cool about Céline Dion, and nothing clever. If you dislike my novel, you're really not alone! For a book I randomly picked up from Goodreads I am surprised at how much I enjoyed this and how much it made me think. This was really good, an investigation into the meaning of taste and aesthetics where the author, an urbane and hip music critic examines his own prejudices by diving deep into Céline Dion's 1997 album 'Let's Talk About Love'. Let’s Talk About Love by Carl Wilson: A NEW AND EXPANDED EDITION October 7, 2013 333admin Bloomsbury is thrilled to announce the publication of a new and expanded edition of Carl Wilson’s Let’s Talk About Love. Welcome back. Thoughts engendered by my return to computer gaming after an absence of two and a half years, We should all stop being so self-deprecating. For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. I’ll definitely give it a try; I’m very interested in other treatments of this topic. We know that taste is not entirely subjective. It's perhaps hard to remember how universal Celine Dion was at the close of the Nineties, when "My Heart Will Go On" was every-damn-where and her enthusiastic, bombastic style of singing drowned out anyone else trying to make a living at the time (hyperbole, but still). Fun but not substantive enough. For his 2007 critically acclaimed 33 1/3 series title, Let's Talk About Love, Carl Wilson went on a quest to find his inner Céline Dion fan and explore how we define ourselves by what we call good and bad, what we love and what we hate. The Game of Thrones television show is superior to the books. Regardless, it’s really good.) Personally, I often struggle to produce criticism that is descriptive rather than prescriptive. By crowing about it, I’m making a pretty naked ploy to increase my relative social status by showing off the wide range of my reading. ... Other books in Continuum’s 331⁄3 series (short volumes devoted to single albums by canonical musical acts) have varied from historical synopses to personal … Start by marking “Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste” as Want to Read: Error rating book. The kind of contempt that’s mobilized by “cool” taste is inimical to that sympathy, to an aesthetics that might support a good public life.”. (Which, I suppose, could make his conclusions less applicable today. Very nicely done. With this mindset, Wilson comes to the defense of a sentimentality that his cultural programming militates against. I love that Wilson never falls down the rabbit-hole of total subjectivity. I’d recommend starting with ‘Abolition of Man’- it’s an excellent outline of his general moral philosophy. English. Growing up in Quebec in the early 2000s, it was difficult to miss her ubiquitous media presence: first, there was, of course, the sheer unavoidability of her nasal intonations at the Carrefour d'Argenteuil shopping mall, outside of La Crémière ice cream, at the local Wal-Mart, on the patios of the pubs downtown, and really anywhere else you could set up a speakers. By my current standards, I have often had some pretty bad taste. It’s a pretty tiny book. I hate the subtitle to this edition, but everything else is pretty great. I’m excited for you- I went on a big Lewis kick a while back and read all of his stuff (well, his more accessible stuff- a lot of his more academic writing is on or in ancient greek). So thorough and well written with a lot of dry wit and heart. Notes from the first week of an MFA program. In the end, the real value of this book is in the tools that it gives to the reader: Wilson provides a way of thinking–a mode of internal dialogue–that allows the reader to interrogate his own tastes. Tedious tripe. Ultimately, this book is a riveting investigation of what it means to love music and what it means to hate music. November 23rd 2007 Right now, the cool thing is to have extremely diverse tastes–as long as your taste is for something marginal, it doesn’t matter whether it’s marginal high art (poetry) or marginal low art (autobiographical comics). You made me want to read both Wilson and more of you. Thousands of products are available to collect from store or if your order's over £20 we'll deliver for free. I read ‘Let’s Talk About Love’ on your recommendation, and really enjoyed it. “And the places she turns up in Jamaica are all the more curious. Andy Battaglia. Stephin Merritt loves ABBA, so it’s okay. Carl Wilson tackles Céline Dion‘s album Let’s Talk About Love.. His approach is intriguing, based mostly upon the theories of sociologist Pierre Bourdieu (particularly as set forth in his Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste).). I’d never even heard of “An Experiment in Criticism”, but I have been meaning to check out some of C.S. Even the 33 1/3 titles that would seem plum targets for the irony game — ABBA Gold, for one — have passed through the karaoke vortex and been certified cool. I’m glad you enjoyed it. My bad taste was untainted by any sort of hipsterish swerve (a prelapsarian self that I have, perhaps unfortunately, lost forever). I am seriously tempted to carry it with me everywhere for the rest of my life, just like Napoleon is reputed to have done with The Sorrows of Young Werther. Let’s Talk About Love: A Journey To The End Of Taste, by Carl Wilson, My story–“The Snake King Sells Out”–is in this month’s issue of Orson Scott Card’s Intergalactic Medicine Show, Advice for genre-influenced writers who are applying to MFA programs, How my MFA program ushered me into class consciousness, Today I wrote my one millionth word of crap. His chapters on Celine’s background and place in Canadian culture are interesting, and I found much to think about in his intermediate chapters (which are a more generalized discussion of aesthetics), but concluding chapters (on the the elements of her appeal) are masterful. 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